Comments on: When Did Noah Build the Ark (And The Benefits of Sacrifice) http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/ Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:29:05 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Niranjan http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-575 Niranjan Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:51:00 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-575 Sacrifices are always for bigger rewards, may be imaginary, but never without expectation...Even a person who dont expect anything,would expect that people know that he is not expecting anything..In turn an expectation of name and fame.. Some may expect to go to heaven...small or big expectations are always there... Sacrifices are always for bigger rewards, may be imaginary, but never without expectation…Even a person who dont expect anything,would expect that people know that he is not expecting anything..In turn an expectation of name and fame..
Some may expect to go to heaven…small or big expectations are always there…

]]> By: Eric http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-436 Eric Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:13:07 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-436 Paul Lemberg got it wrong -- Giving up something lesser to gain something greater is not sacrifice; it's capitalism. If I give up a dollar to get ten, that's not sacrifice. That's profit. In the Ram and Shyam story, if Ram had built the pipeline, he would have been sacrificing his payment for water at the well-head. Shyam didn't sacrifice a thing. He wasn't included in the original money-making scheme. He just put Ram out of business. But what did he gain from putting Ram out of business? That is never explained. True sacrifce is giving up something of present value not knowing whether you WILL gain a future (not present) reward. Paul Lemberg got it wrong — Giving up something lesser to gain something greater is not sacrifice; it’s capitalism. If I give up a dollar to get ten, that’s not sacrifice. That’s profit.

In the Ram and Shyam story, if Ram had built the pipeline, he would have been sacrificing his payment for water at the well-head. Shyam didn’t sacrifice a thing. He wasn’t included in the original money-making scheme. He just put Ram out of business. But what did he gain from putting Ram out of business? That is never explained.

True sacrifce is giving up something of present value not knowing whether you WILL gain a future (not present) reward.

]]> By: How To Eradicate Poverty (Without Doing Charity) - Non Toxin http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-434 How To Eradicate Poverty (Without Doing Charity) - Non Toxin Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:29:13 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-434 [...] job is to teach a man how to fish only when he is willing* to learn. And when he is willing to pay the price to [...] [...] job is to teach a man how to fish only when he is willing* to learn. And when he is willing to pay the price to [...]

]]> By: dee http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-374 dee Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:59:57 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-374 Ha ha, dang spell checker...should have said "noble" not "nobel" - no prize here! Ha ha, dang spell checker…should have said “noble” not “nobel” – no prize here!

]]> By: dee http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-373 dee Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:57:57 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-373 When I read Ayn Rand I discovered why sacrifice always seemed so wrong to me. Her definition is that sacrifice is giving up a GREATER value for a LESSER one. Just the reverse of what your Paul Lemberg wrote. Giving up a lesser value for a greater one is NOT sacrifice, it is calculated risk. It is smart. Sacrifice gets a bad rap because it doesn't make economic or social sense. In fact, sacrifice always bothered me because it always seemed so wasteful. The people who "sacrificed" always got the short end of the proverbial stick. It is not a waste to let go of something that has less value, just as it is not a waste (nor is it a sacrifice) to protect something of higher value. It is not a sacrifice to put your loved one's well being before your own. It is not a sacrifice to work hard before you see tangible results. I applaud your intent here with getting people to recognize that a perceived short-term hardship or restraint can lead to much larger benefits in the long run, but puh-leez don't keep perpetuating the myth of the nobel sacrifice. Even the dictionary uses the definition as "to give up something at a loss". Why would I EVER want to do that or think that it was nobel? When I read Ayn Rand I discovered why sacrifice always seemed so wrong to me. Her definition is that sacrifice is giving up a GREATER value for a LESSER one. Just the reverse of what your Paul Lemberg wrote.

Giving up a lesser value for a greater one is NOT sacrifice, it is calculated risk. It is smart.

Sacrifice gets a bad rap because it doesn’t make economic or social sense. In fact, sacrifice always bothered me because it always seemed so wasteful. The people who “sacrificed” always got the short end of the proverbial stick.

It is not a waste to let go of something that has less value, just as it is not a waste (nor is it a sacrifice) to protect something of higher value. It is not a sacrifice to put your loved one’s well being before your own. It is not a sacrifice to work hard before you see tangible results.

I applaud your intent here with getting people to recognize that a perceived short-term hardship or restraint can lead to much larger benefits in the long run, but puh-leez don’t keep perpetuating the myth of the nobel sacrifice.

Even the dictionary uses the definition as “to give up something at a loss”. Why would I EVER want to do that or think that it was nobel?

]]> By: Michelle http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-361 Michelle Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:04:01 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-361 Awesome post! I never knew the reason why humans are born "early" before. As always, good advice and superb writing. Awesome post! I never knew the reason why humans are born “early” before. As always, good advice and superb writing.

]]> By: Ankesh Kothari http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-358 Ankesh Kothari Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:07:39 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-358 Thanks for the excellent comment! I actually am a believer of karma. What you sow is what you reap. And so - your point about saving good deeds is very insightful to me. Thanks for the excellent comment!

I actually am a believer of karma. What you sow is what you reap. And so – your point about saving good deeds is very insightful to me.

]]> By: Ankesh Kothari http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-357 Ankesh Kothari Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:06:04 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-357 Thanks Ankur for your kind words :) Hope you have great success with your life streaming website. Thanks Ankur for your kind words :)

Hope you have great success with your life streaming website.

]]> By: Ankesh Kothari http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-356 Ankesh Kothari Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:04:38 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-356 Thanks Shamelle for adding the blog to your RSS feed reader! Appreciate it a lot. Hope all the future posts blow your expectations away too! Thanks Shamelle for adding the blog to your RSS feed reader!

Appreciate it a lot.

Hope all the future posts blow your expectations away too!

]]> By: Ankesh Kothari http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-355 Ankesh Kothari Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:03:56 +0000 http://www.nontoxin.com/when-did-noah-build-the-ark-and-the-benefits-of-sacrifice/#comment-355 Thanks Mokokoma for the pat on the back :):) Thanks Mokokoma for the pat on the back :) :)

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